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vendredi, 18 juillet 2014

A. Douguine: union économique eurasienne, alliance UE/Russie, hégémonisme américain

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Entretien avec Alexandre Douguine

Sur l'Union économique eurasienne, sur la nécessité d'une alliance UE/Russie, sur l'hégémonisme américain en Europe

 

Propos recueillis par Bernard Tomaschitz

 

Professeur Douguine, le 1 janvier 2015, l'Union Economique Eurasienne deviendra une réalité. Quel potentiel détient cette nouvelle organisation internationale?

 

AD: L'histoire nous enseigne que toute forme d'intégration économique précède une unification politique et surtout géopolitique. C'est là la thèse principale du théoricien de l'économie allemand, Friedrich List, impulseur du Zollverein (de l'Union douanière) allemand dans la première moitié du 19ème siècle. Le dépassement du "petit-étatisme" allemand et la création d'un espace économique unitaire, qui, plus tard, en vient à s'unifier, est toujours, aujourd'hui, un modèle efficace que cherchent à suivre bon nombre de pays. La création de l'Union Economique Eurasienne entraînera à son tour un processus de convergence politique. Si nous posons nos regards sur l'exemple allemand, nous pouvons dire que l'unification du pays a été un succès complet: l'Empire allemand s'est développé très rapidement et est devenu la principale puissance économique européenne. Si nous portons nos regards sur l'Union Economique Eurasienne, on peut s'attendre à un développement analogue. L'espace économique eurasien s'harmonisera et déploiera toute sa force. Les potentialités sont gigantesques.

 

Toutefois, après le putsch de Kiev, l'Ukraine n'y adhèrera pas. Que signifie cette non-adhésion pour l'Union Economique Eurasienne? Sera-t-elle dès lors incomplète?

 

AD: Sans l'Est et le Sud de l'Ukraine, cette union économique sera effectivement incomplète. Je suis d'accord avec vous.

 

Pourquoi l'Est et le Sud?

 

AD: Pour la constitution d'une Union Economique Eurasienne, les parties économiquement les plus importantes de l'Ukraine se situent effectivement dans l'Est et le Sud du pays. Il y a toutefois un fait dont il faut tenir compte: l'Ukraine, en tant qu'Etat, a cessé d'exister dans ses frontières anciennes.

 

Que voulez-vous dire?

 

AD: Nous avons aujourd'hui deux entités sur le territoire de l'Ukraine, dont les frontières passent exactement entre les grandes sphères d'influence géopolitique. L'Est et le Sud s'orientent vers la Russie, l'Ouest s'oriente nettement vers l'Europe. Ainsi, les choses sont dans l'ordre et personne ne conteste ces faits géopolitiques. Je pars personnellement du principe que nous n'attendrons pas longtemps, avant de voir ce Sud et cet Est ukrainiens, la "nouvelle Russie", faire définitivement sécession et s'intégrer dans l'espace économique eurasien. L'Ouest, lui, se tournera vers l'Union Européenne et s'intégrera au système de Bruxelles. L'Etat ukrainien, avec ses contradictions internes, cessera pratiquement d'exister. Dès ce moment, la situation politique s'apaisera.

 

Si, outre le Kazakhstan, d'autres Etats centrasiatiques adhèrent à l'Union Economique Eurasienne et que tous entretiennent de bonnes relations avec la Chine, un puissant bloc eurasien continental verra le jour: ce sera un défi géopolitique considérable pour les Etats-Unis, plus considérable encore que ne le fut jamais l'URSS…

 

AD: Non. Je ne crois pas que l'on puisse comparer les deux situations. Nous n'aurons plus affaire à deux blocs idéologiquement opposés comme dans l'après-guerre. L'idéologie ne joue aucun rôle dans la formation de cette Union Economique Eurasienne. Au contraire: pour l'Europe occidentale, cet immense espace économique sera un partenaire stratégique très attirant. L'Europe est en mesure d'offrir tout ce dont la Russie a besoin et, en échange, la Russie dispose de toutes les matières premières, dont l'Europe a besoin. Les deux partenaires se complètent parfaitement, profiteraient à merveille d'une alliance stratégique.

 

A Bruxelles, en revanche, on voit les choses de manière bien différente… On y voit Moscou et les efforts de convergence eurasiens comme une "menace". On utilise un vocabulaire qui rappelle furieusement la Guerre froide…

 

AD:  Pour que l'alliance stratégique, que je viens d'esquisser, puisse fonctionner, l'Europe doit d'abord s'auto-libérer.

 

Se libérer de quoi?

 

AD: De la domination américaine. L'UE actuelle est bel et bien dominée par Washington. D'un point de vue historique, c'est intéressant: les Européens ont commencé par coloniser le continent américain et, aujourd'hui, par une sorte de retour de manivelle, les Américains colonisent l'Europe. Pour que l'Europe puisse récupérer ses marges de manœuvre, elle doit se libérer de l'hégémonisme américain. Le continent européen doit retrouver un sens de l'identité européenne, de manière à ce qu'il puisse agir en toute autonomie, en faveur de ses propres intérêts. Si les Européens se libèrent de la tutelle américaine, ils reconnaîtront bien vite que la Russie est leur partenaire stratégique naturel.

 

La crise ukrainienne et les sanctions contre la Russie, auxquelles participent aussi l'UE, révèlent combien l'Europe est sous l'influence de Washington. Pensez-vous vraiment que l'UE est capable de s'émanciper des Etats-Unis sur le plan de la défense et de la sécurité?

 

AD: Absolument. Aujourd'hui, l'Europe se comporte comme si elle était une entreprise américaine en franchise. Les sanctions contre la Russie ne correspondent en aucune façon aux intérêts économiques et stratégiques de l'Europe. Les sphères économiques européennes le savent bien car elles ne cessent de protester contre cette politique des sanctions. Cependant, une grande partie de l'élite politique européenne est absolument inféodée aux Etats-Unis. Pour elle, la voix de Washington est plus importante à écouter que les plaintes de ses propres ressortissants. Il est intéressant de noter aussi que la grande majorité des Européens, au contraire de l'élite politique, est critique à l'égard des Etats-Unis et est, dans le fond, pro-européenne au meilleur sens du terme. Une confrontation politique adviendra en Europe, c'est quasi préprogrammé. Ce sera une sorte de révolution. Il suffit d'attendre.

 

En mai, le traité sur les livraisons de gaz entre la Russie et la Chine a été conclu: ce traité prévoit que les factures seront établies en roubles ou en renminbi. Peut-on dès lors prévoir la fin de l'hégémonie du dollar, si cet exemple est suivi par d'autres?

 

AD: Par cet accord, la Russie et la Chine cherchent de concert à imposer un ordre mondial multipolaire. Ce sera une multipolarité en tous domaines: économique, stratégique, militaire, politique et idéologique. En Occident, on croit toujours à la pérennité d'un modèle unipolaire, dominé par les Etats-Unis. L'accord sino-russe de mai dernier marque cependant la fin de ce modèle prisé à l'Ouest. Quelle en sera la conséquence? Les Etats-Unis deviendront une puissance régionale et ne seront plus une puissance globale. Mais la Russie et la Chine, elles aussi, demeureront des puissances régionales, de même que l'Europe qui se sera libérée. Le monde multipolaire de demain sera un monde de puissances régionales. L'architecture du monde en sera changée.

 

(Entretien paru dans zur Zeit, Vienne, n°27-28/2014; http://www.zurzeit.at ).

 

A VERY BRIEF HISTORY OF CHINESE RUSSIAN RELATIONS

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A VERY BRIEF HISTORY OF CHINESE RUSSIAN RELATIONS

The response of much western commentary to the Russia China agreements has been scepticism that they can ever burgeon into an outright partnership because of the supposedly long history of mutual suspicion and hostility between the two countries. The Economist for example refers to the two countries as “frenemies”. To see whether these claims are actually justified I thought it might be useful to give a short if rather summary account of the history of the relationship between the two countries.

Official contacts between China and Russia began with border clashes in the 1680s which however were settled in 1689 by the Treaty of Nerchinsk, which delineated what was then the common border. At this time Beijing had no political or diplomatic links with any other European state save the Vatican, which was informally represented in Beijing by the Jesuit mission.

The Treaty of Nerchinsk was the first formal treaty between China and any European power. The Treaty of Nerchinsk was basically a pragmatic border arrangement. It was eventually succeeded by the Treaty of Kyakhta of 1727, negotiated on the initiative of the Kangxi Emperor and of Peter the Great, who launched the expedition that negotiated it shortly before before his death.

The Treaty of Kyakhta provided for a further delineation of the common border. It also authorised a small but thriving border trade. Most importantly, it also allowed for the establishment of what was in effect a Russian diplomatic presence in Beijing in the form of an ecclesiastical settlement there. Russia thereby became only the second European state after the Vatican to achieve a presence in Beijing. It did so moreover more than a century before any of the other European powers. Russia was of course the only European power at this time to share a common border with China (a situation to which it has now reverted since the return to China of Hong Kong). It is also notable that the Treaty of Kyakhta happened on the initiative of Peter the Great. Peter the Great’s decision to launch the expedition that ultimately led to the Treaty of Kyakhta shows that even this supposedly most “westernising” of tsars had to take into account Russia’s reality as a Eurasian state.

For the rest of the Eighteenth Century and the first half of the Nineteenth Century relations between the Russian and Chinese courts remained friendly though hardly close. St. Petersburg was the only European capital during this period to host occasional visits by the Chinese Emperor’s representatives. During the British Macartney mission to Beijing of 1793 the senior Manchu official tasked with negotiating with Macartney had obtained his diplomatic experience in St. Petersburg. As a result of these contacts at the time of the Anglo French expedition to Beijing in 1860 Ignatiev, the Russian diplomat who acted as mediator between the Anglo French expedition and the Chinese court, could call on the services of skilled professional interpreters and was in possession of accurate maps of Beijing whilst the British and the French had access to neither. Russian diplomatic contacts with the court in Beijing during this period do not seem to have been afflicted with the protocol difficulties that so complicated China’s relations with the other European powers and which contributed to the failure of the Macartney mission. This serves as an indicator of the pragmatism with which these contacts were conducted.

This period of distant but generally friendly relations ended with the crisis of 1857 to 1860 when Russia used the Chinese court’s preoccupation with the Taiping rebellion and China’s difficult relations with the western Europeans culminating in the Anglo French expedition of 1860 to secure the annexation of the Amur region. The Chinese continue to see the third Convention of Beijing of 1860 which secured the Amur territory for Russia as an “unequal treaty”. They have however accepted its consequences and formally recognised the border (which was properly speaking part of Manchu rather than Chinese territory). At the time it must have been resented. However it is probably fair to say that Russia would have been seen in China as a marginally less dangerous aggressor during this period than the western powers Britain and France (especially Britain) if only because China’s relations with these two countries were much more important.

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As the Nineteenth Century wore on relations between Russia and China seem to have improved with Russia, undoubtedly for self-interested reasons, playing an important role in the Three Power Intervention that forced Japan to moderate its demands on China following China’s defeat in the Sino Japanese war of 1895. Russian policy of supporting China and the authority of the Chinese court against the Japanese however fell by the wayside when Russia forced the Chinese court in 1897 to grant Russia a lease of the Chinese naval base of Port Arthur. This was much resented in China and damaged Russia’s image there. Russia also became drawn into the suppression of the anti-foreign 1900 Boxer Rising, an event which destabilised the Manchu dynasty and which led to a short lived Russian occupation of Manchuria to suppress the Boxers there. This is not the place to discuss the diplomacy or the reasons for the conflict which followed which is known as the Russo Japanese war of 1904 to 1905. Suffice to say that the ground war was fought entirely on Chinese territory and ended in stalemate (though with the balance starting to shift in favour of the Russians), that I know of no good English account of the war or of the events that preceded it, that the war was precipitated entirely by a straightforward act of Japanese aggression and that the popular view that the war was preceded and/or provoked by Russian economic and political penetration of Korea or plans to annex Manchuria are now known to have no basis in fact.

A radical improvement in Russian Chinese relations took place following the October 1917 revolution caused by the decision of the new Bolshevik government to renounce the extra territorial privileges Russia had obtained in China as a result of the unequal treaties. The USSR became the strongest supporter during this period of Sun Ya-tsen’s Chinese nationalist republican movement and of the Guomindang government in Nanjing that Sun Ya-tsen eventually set up. Sun Ya-tsen for his part was a staunch friend and supporter of the USSR. Though many are aware of the very close relationship between the USSR and China in the 1950s few in my experience know of the equally strong and arguably more genuine friendship between their two governments in the 1920s.

In the two decades that followed the USSR became China’s strongest international supporter in its war against Japanese aggression, a war which has defined modern China and of which the outside world knows lamentably little. During this period the USSR had to balance its support for China’s official Guomindang led government that was supposedly leading the struggle against the Japanese with its support for the Chinese Communist Party (originally the leftwing of the Guomindang movement) with which the Guomindang was often in armed conflict. The USSR also had to balance its support for China with its need to avoid a war in the east with Japan at a time when it was being threatened in the west by Nazi Germany and its allies. The skill with which the government of the USSR performed this difficult feat has gone almost wholly unrecognised.

Following the defeat of Japan in 1945 the USSR’s military support was (as is now known) crucial though obviously not decisive to the Chinese Communist Party’s victory in the civil war against the Guomindang, which led to the establishment in 1949 of the People’s Republic. A decade of extremely close political, military and economic relations followed during which the two countries were formally allies. As is now known this relationship in reality was always strained and eventually broke down in part because of mutual personal antagonism between the countries’ two leaders, Khrushchev and Mao Zedong, but mainly because of Chinese anger at the USSR’s failure to support a war to recover Taiwan and above all because of China’s refusal as the world’s most populous country and oldest civilisation to accept a subordinate position to the USSR in the international Communist movement. The rupture was made formal by Khrushchev’s decision in 1960 to withdraw from China the Soviet advisers and economic assistance that had been sent there. Supporters of sanctions may care to note that on the two occasions Russia has used sanctions (against Yugoslavia in 1948 and against China in 1960) they backfired spectacularly on Russia resulting in consequences for Russia that were entirely bad.

The Sino Soviet rupture of 1960 resulted in a decade and a half of very strained relations. An attempt to restore relations to normal following Khrushchev’s fall in 1964 was wrecked, possibly intentionally, by the Soviet defence minister Marshal Malinovsky who encouraged members of the Chinese leadership to overthrow Mao Zedong through a coup similar to the one that had overthrown Khrushchev. Relations with the USSR during this period also increasingly became hostage to Chinese internal politics with Mao and his supporters during the period of political terror known as the Cultural Revolution routinely accusing their opponents of being Soviet agents. This period of difficult relations eventually culminated in serious border clashes in 1969, an event that panicked the leadership of both countries and which led each of them to explore alignments against each other with the Americans.

This period of very tense relations basically ended in 1976 with the death of Mao Zedong who shortly before his death is supposed to have issued an injunction to the Chinese Communist party instructing it to restore relations with the USSR. Once the post Mao succession disputes were resolved with the victory of Deng Xiaoping a process of outright rapprochement began the start of which was formally signalled in the USSR by Leonid Brezhnev in a speech in Tashkent in 1982 which he made shortly before his death. By 1989 the process of rapprochement was complete allowing Gorbachev to visit Beijing in the spring of that year when however his visit was overshadowed by the Tiananmen disturbances.

Since then there has been a steady strengthening of relations. Gorbachev refused to involve the USSR in the sanctions the western powers imposed on China following the Tiananmen disturbances. Yeltsin, despite the strong pro-western orientation of his government, remained a firm advocate of good relations with China and worked to build on the breakthrough achieved in the 1980s. In 1997 in a speech in Hong Kong Jiang Zemin already spoke of Russia as China’s key strategic ally. In 1998 the two countries acted for the first time openly in concert on the Security Council to oppose the US bombing of Iraq (“Operation Desert Fox”). Subsequently both countries strongly opposed the US led attacks on Yugoslavia in 1999 and on Iraq in 2003.  Since then their cooperation in political, economic and security matters has intensified. Whilst their relations have had their moments of difficulty (eg. over Russian complaints of illicit Chinese copying of weapon systems) and the development of their economic relations has lagged well behind that of their political relations (inevitable given the disastrous state of the Russian economy in the 1990s) it is difficult to see on what basis they can be considered “frenemies”.

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The reality is that Russia and China have for obvious reasons of history, culture and above all geography faced through most of their history in different directions: China towards Asia (where it is the supreme east Asian civilisation) and Russia towards Europe. That should not however disguise the fact that their interaction has been very prolonged (since the 1680s), – longer in fact than that of China with any of the major western powers – and generally peaceful and mostly friendly. Periods of outright hostility have been short lived and rare. Despite sharing the world’s longest border all-out war between the two countries has never happened. On the two occasions (in the 1680s and 1960s) when it briefly appeared that it might, both drew back and eventually sought and achieved a compromise. For China Russia’s presence on its northern border has in fact been an unqualified benefit, stabilising and securing the border from which the greatest threats to China’s independence and security have traditionally come.

Western perceptions of the China Russia relationship are in my opinion far too heavily influenced by the very brief period of the Sino Soviet conflict of the 1960s and 1970s. Across the 300 or so years of the history of their mutual interaction the 15 or so years of this conflict represent very much the anomaly not the rule. Given this conflict’s idiosyncratic origins in ideological and status issues that are (to put it mildly) extremely unlikely to recur again, to treat this conflict as representing the norm in China’s and Russia’s relations with each other seems to me frankly farfetched. The past is never a safe guide to the future. However on the basis of the actual history of their relations, to argue that China’s and Russia’s strategic partnership is bound to fail because of their supposed long history of suspicion and conflict towards each other is to argue from prejudice rather than fact.

Check Mating Washington in its Own Backyard with BRICSIANSE

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Wayne MADSEN
Strategic-Culture.org

Check Mating Washington in its Own Backyard with BRICSIANSE

 

The United States and its closest allies have attempted to isolate Russia and President Vladimir Putin from the world stage. As a result of Western support for the Ukrainian regime that came to power through violence in Kiev, actions taken by Western powers against Russia have included expelling Russia from the G-8 of capitalist powers, the freezing of the assets of Russian government officials and Russian banks, and imposing travel bands on Russian citizens.

However, Putin has check-mated U.S. President Barack Obama in the American president’s own backyard. Obama’s defenders fancy their president as a master of «11-dimensional chess». However, what is transpiring in Brazil at the summit of the BRICS nations of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa has shown the world that it is Putin, not Obama, who is the master of 11-dimensional chess. In fact, Obama could never even make it to the chess board.

Putin is visiting Brazil where he is participating in the 2014 summit in the city of Fortaleza. The BRICS summit comes as members of the Obama administration, including neo-cons like Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, have instituted plans for increased sanctions against Russia, bringing them to the level as those directed against Iran, Syria, and Cuba. 

Putin and his BRICS colleagues will sign an agreement in Fortaleza on establishing a BRICS development bank that will help bypass the neo-cons' attempt to isolate Russia from international banking networks. Any strengthening of sanctions in the same manner that U.S. sanctions have been imposed by Washington on Iran, Syria, and Cuba runs the risk of punishing Brazilian, Indian, Chinese, and South African banks and other corporations, something that could land the Obama administration in hot water before the World Trade Organization court that rules against trade practices that violate WTO regulations.

The legacy of the Obama administration is that its Cold War-era policies directed against Latin America have permanently ended America's long-standing political and economic domination of the Western Hemisphere. Obama put the final nail in the arcane Monroe Doctrine that stipulated the United States would bar non-Western Hemisphere nations, including the powers of Europe, from intervention in the Americas. The interventionist policies in countries like Venezuela and Honduras carried out by Nuland's fellow neocon ideologue Roberta Jacobson, the Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, have resulted in a large contingent of Latin American leaders in joining Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping, and the other BRICS leaders in Brazil for a summit where the United States will not have a seat at the table. In fact, the United States and its imperialistic policies will be a major subject in Brazil, a country that has seen its telecommunications, including the private calls and e-mail of Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff routinely spied upon by the U.S. National Security Agency.

Putin is making the most of his six-day visit to Latin America. He forgave Cuba's debt to Russia while visiting Havana and also stopped in Nicaragua and Rio de Janeiro. While in Cuba, Putin met with former Cuban leader Fidel Castro and his brother, Raul Castro, Cuba's president, two leaders who continue to infuriate the neo-con and right-wing power centers of Washington. Putin also attended the final game of the World Cup in Rio. Russia is the host of 2018 World Cup. Putin also visited Argentina where he signed a deal on nuclear energy.  The interest of Iran, Argentina, Nigeria, Syria, and Egypt in joining BRICS may soon see the group's acronym become «BRICSIANSE». Such a development would triumph the nations of the world that refuse to take orders from Washington and the presence of Syria would spell ultimate defeat of the Obama doctrine of «R2P», or «Responsibility to Protect» pro-U.S. and Western intelligence agency-financed opposition leaders intent on replacing anti-American governments with pro-U.S. regimes. Syria joining BRICS as a full or associate member would drive a stake through the heart of R2P.

The Obama administration could not convince a single South American leader to avoid the BRICS summit in Brazil. In fact, two of the South American leaders sitting down with Putin, Xi, Rousseff, and the other leaders in Brazil, Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro and Suriname's President Desi Bouterse, have been the subject of CIA- and State Department-linked destabilization efforts and sanctions threats. Also in attendance at BRICS are Argentina's President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, Bolivia's President, Evo Morales Chile's President Michelle Bachelet, Colombia's President Juan Manuel Santos, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa, Guyana's President Donald Ramotar, Paraguay's President Horacio Cartes, Peru's President Ollanta Humala, and Uruguay's President José Mujica. America's sanctions against Russia and its saber-rattling against China on behalf of Japan and the Philippines have fallen on deaf ears in South America. The teenager-like antics of Nuland, Jacobson, along with those of U.S. National Security Adviser Susan Rice and U.S. ambassador to the UN Samantha Power, are sure to be discussed in sideline gossip by the leaders gathered in Fortaleza.

The presence of President Santos of Colombia is particularly noteworthy. Santos recently defeated a right-wing candidate supported by the same Obama administration’s interventionists who have helped disrupt the economy of Venezuela. The losing candidate, Oscar Ivan Zuluaga, had the full support of Santos’s right-wing and pro-Israeli/pro-U.S. predecessor Alvaro Uribe. Recent disclosures have shown that Uribe instituted an NSA-like national communications surveillance system aimed at his opponents. Zuluaga’s ties with the same elements who are trying to depose Maduro in Venezuela have not been lost on Santos. He continues to engage in peace negotiations in Havana with left-wing DARC guerrillas and improve ties with Venezuela much to the chagrin of the CIA operatives who live in splendor in the Miami area of Florida.

While in Rio, Putin managed to cast off U.S. efforts to isolate him internationally by meeting with Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister Gaston Browne, in addition to Hungary's Prime Minister Victor Orban, Namibian President Hage Geingob, Gabon's President Ali Bongo, and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel. Merkel and Rousseff have much in common as both had their personal cell phone conversations monitored by NSA, a fact that Putin, who has provided asylum to NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, was likely sure to have mentioned in passing.

The only attempt the United States could make to have any Latin American officials criticize contact between Western Hemisphere leaders and Putin was to arrange for Trinidad opposition leader Keith Rowley to condemn his country's prime minister's private trip to Brazil. Rowley criticized Persad-Bissessar and her grandson for meeting with Putin and other leaders in Rio because the trip was made during a labor dispute involving Trinidad’s immigration department. The power of Washington to influence events in the Western Hemisphere has truly plummeted to new depths.

The agenda of the BRICS nations is as diversified as that of any G-7 meeting, no longer called G8 after Russia was expelled. On the BRICS summit agenda are trade, development, macroeconomic policy, energy, finance, terrorism, climate change, regional security, drug smuggling and trans-border crime, industrialization of Africa, and, kin what should serve as a wake-up call to Wall Street, the World Bank, European Central Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and other tools of western capitalism, international financial institution (IFI) reform.

The security operations by BRICS in Afghanistan stand to replace those of the United State after the withdrawal of its troops from that country. Russia has led BRICS efforts on dealing with money laundering and cross-border crime and it has drawn the participation of Belarus, India, Kazakhstan, China, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan in its efforts. Observers from Mongolia and Armenia also joined the talks. In the area of security, synergism is apparent between the BRICS and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) that brings Russia and China into a common security policy with central Asian states like Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Russia and China appear determined that Ukraine and Georgia will be the «line in the sand» for any further encroachments by George Soros- and CIA-led «R2P» revolutions in the Eurasian space. It is also clear that Putin outsmarted Obama in his own backyard.

 

“Ramiro Ledesma a contraluz”

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Novedad editorial:

“Ramiro Ledesma a contraluz”.

Entrevista con el autor, Ernesto Milá.

Otra forma de ver la vida y la obra de Ramiro Ledesma. Entrevista con Ernesto Milá autor de Ramiro Ledesma a contraluz, publicado por eminves

¿De dónde salió la idea de publicar esta obra?

Este libro es una refundición de cinco artículos que publiqué en la Revista de Historia del Fascismo entre 2011 y 2013 sobre la figura de Ramiro Ledesma, su vida y su obra, a la que le hemos añadido una conclusión que da coherencia a estos ensayos. La idea surgió a la vista de los errores de interpretación sobre este líder político y doctrinario que aparecieron a partir de 1979 y que lo presentaban de manera exótica, poco realista y sin muchos contactos con el Ramiro Ledesma real. En este caso, como en muchos otros, los “devotos” son mucho más peligrosos que los enemigos. En efecto, los “devotos” no se detienen a la hora de deformar en beneficio propio la obra de su icono. En cualquier caso, el estudio sobre Ledesma era una parte de un estudio más amplio que nos habíamos propuesto realizar desde el número 1 de la Revista de Historia del Fascismo destinado a revisar la trayectoria de este sector político en España.

¿Así pues hay que hablar de un “proceso de revisión” en la historia del “fascismo español”?

En efecto, se suele pensar que solamente existió una rama “fascista” en España. No fue así. Empecemos por decir que el fascismo puede entenderse de manera estricta como un movimiento que apareció en Italia después de la Primera Guerra Mundial dotado de determinadas características o bien, de forma genérica como el conjunto de movimiento aparecidos en el período de las “entre guerras”, un poco por todo el mundo y que tenían siete rasgos propios: 1) nacionalismo, 2) antiparlamentarismo, 3) antimarxismo, 4) corporativismo, 5) estilo militar, 6) cesarismo y 7) características propias vinculadas a la nación sobre la que irrumpió. En este sentido, todas estas características pueden aplicarse en España, tanto a las JONS, como a Falange Española, como a Renovación Española y a varios pequeños grupos formados en torno a personalidades notables como Giménez Caballero. Creo que, en sentido genérico es hora de revisar la historia del fascismo español, resituarlo en su tiempo y explicar porqué fue una oportunidad frustrada durante la II República, después de la guerra civil y en la transición.

¿Cuáles han sido las principales deformaciones sobre la obra de Ramiro?

En primer lugar se ha visto en Ledesma a un revolucionario “furibundo”, una especie de fanático incendiario que agitaba las teas desde las barricadas anticapitalistas. Nada más ajeno a la realidad. Ledesma es un revolucionario solamente porque plantea los valores, las ideas y las vías para invertir la decadencia histórica de España. Otros han querido ver en él a un “nacional-bolchevique” o a un “europeísta”, cosas que nunca fue ni por asomo. Se ha dado importancia a un antisemitismo del que nunca hizo gala. Se ha dicho de él que era un “fascista”, cuando él consideraba a este término como específicamente aplicable a Italia y él se definió siempre como “nacional-sindicalista”. Se le ha presentado como un hombre de izquierdas, algo que despreciaba profundamente. Y se ha dicho, finalmente, que era ateo o, simplemente, que “murió donde quiso”… en realidad, murió tras haber comulgado clandestinamente en la cárcel y siendo fusilado en una de las sacas habituales de la época junto a otros miembros de partidos de extrema-derecha. También se ha falseado sus opiniones sobre la derecha…

¿Así pues no estaba contra la derecha?

Sí lo estaba. La crítica que realiza a Gil Robles, por ejemplo, es implacable. Pero hay que recordar que Gil Robles era una especie de democracia-cristiana de derechas de la época y que existieron otras formas de derecha en la II República: los carlistas (a los que jamás criticó), los alfonsinos (con los que mantuvo amistad desde los primeros tiempos de La Conquista del Estado y que le ayudaron en varias ocasiones), la revista Acción Española (con la que colaboró y con cuyo fundador, Ramiro de Maeztu mantuvo una amistad y un debate que llegó a momentos antes de su asesinato), con Calvo Sotelo, etc. Ledesma solamente ataca despiadadamente, es cierto, a la CEDA y a Gil Robles, no al resto de componentes de la “derecha de la derecha”. El desprecio que nutre hacia el doctor Albiñana es relativo y se basa en que su espíritu matemático y filosófico chocaba con la simplicidad de postulados del Partido Nacionalista Español, con uno de cuyos miembros, Delgado Barreto, colaboró en la iniciativa de El Fascio.

Aludes a la estrategia política ideada por Ramiro Ledesma ¿a qué te refieres con ello?

10.jpgLedesma fue un doctrinario, pero también un hombre de acción. Era consciente de que meditar sobre las ideas solo es admisible si se tiene el valor de llevarlas a la práctica. Eso implica elegir una estrategia, unas tácticas, unos objetivos políticos, un criterio organizativo y formar una clase política dirigente. Se ha aludido bastante al Ramiro Ledesma doctrinario, pero nada en absoluto al estratega político. Y a partir de 1933 tenía una estrategia muy clara: la formación de un “gran partido fascista español” que agrupara a distintas ramas dispersas hasta entonces y a distintos líderes, necesarios todos ellos para alcanzar la masa crítica suficiente para derrocar a la frustrada república y construir un Estado Nacional Sindicalista. En ese sentido, el camino seguido por Ledesma es la estrategia de construcción del partido sumando distintas fuerzas ya existentes y dispersas hasta ese momento, algunas de las cuales incluso en el mundo anarco-sindicalista. Si Ledesma participó en la experiencia de El Fascio fue precisamente por eso, para favorecer una iniciativa unitaria, y si a última hora lanzó Nuestra Revolución fue para crear un medio “aceptable” para que sectores del anarco-sindicalismo asumieran los mismos ideales por los que estaba trabajando Falange Española.´

¿Ramiro y José Antonio compartían idénticos puntos de vista?

La evolución en el pensamiento de José Antonio fue rápida y sorprendente y de ella dimos cuenta en nuestro estudio titulado José Antonio y los no-conformistas. La evolución en Ledesma fue menos drástica. Simplemente, fiel a su proyecto de construcción de un gran partido fascista en España, tras colaborar en El Fascio, ingresó en Falange Española. Se dieron errores de conducción política en aquellos primeros pasos de FE y, para colmo, aparecieron rivalidades entre los dos líderes, fomentadas por personajes de poco valor más preocupados por sembrar cizaña que por sacar adelante el movimiento. Ledesma se escindió del partido y estuvo separado de José Antonio durante algo más de un año. Especialmente las primeras semanas posteriores a la escisión fueron de una dureza inusitada que se expresó a través de La Patria Libre por parte de Ledesma y de los primeros números de Arriba por parte de José Antonio. Dos meses después los ataques mutuos se atenuaron y luego desaparecieron, gracias al esfuerzo de los varios amigos comunes entre ambos. Ledesma aprovechó para escribir sus dos obras, ¿Fascismo en España? y el Discurso a las Juventudes de España y fue consciente de que había quedado descabalgado de la estrategia que él mismo había contribuido a crear. A partir de entonces, ambos, Ledesma y Primo de Rivera, iniciaron una reaproximación que llevaría al primero a visitar en la cárcel al segundo y a establecer algún tipo de colaboración tardía, en las semanas previas al estallido de la guerra civil, de la que Nuestra Revolución fue el eco.

¿Terminaron reconciliándose?

En mi opinión sí. Hay datos suficientes para pensar en la posibilidad de esa reconciliación. Ambos eran impulsivos, pero al mismo tiempo inteligentes. Se necesitaban el uno al otro. Y lo sabían. Después de la crisis de la escisión en el verano del 35 se inicia la reaproximación que culminará en mayo con la visita de Ramiro a la cárcel y con el posterior lanzamiento de Nuestra Revolución.

En tu libro nos ha llamado la atención el que dediques un capítulo a la novela de juventud de Ledesma, El sello de la muerte ¿a qué se debe?

En primer lugar, hay que decir que se trata de una novela de juventud, poco trabajada, argumentalmente floja especialmente en su segunda parte, pero que aporta datos sobre la psicología de Ledesma en su juventud. De hecho, es el único testimonio sobre las convicciones de Ledesma en su adolescencia y sobre su psicología. Hay que recordar que tras ese período juvenil, Ledesma se dedicó al estudio de la filosofía, conoció a Giménez Caballero quien lo introdujo tanto en las nuevas corrientes que circulaban por Europa en la época y luego se dedicó a la política. Para tener una visión completa de la aventura intelectual y existencial de Ramiro Ledesma era inevitable que aludiéramos con detenimiento a El Sello de la Muerte.

¿Cuál es tu opinión personal sobre Ledesma?

En el libro hay más de 500 citas bibliográficas sobre Ledesma, así que he procurado elaborarlo como tesis mucho más que como opinión personal. No todo el pensamiento político de Ledesma es rescatable en nuestros días (su concepción del sindicalismo, por ejemplo, era el de los años 30 que respondía a las exigencias de lucha contra el capitalismo de aquel momento histórico y que no se parece en nada al actual), era inevitable que en el análisis del capitalismo o del marxismo, Ledesma se refiriera a una época que ya queda muy distante en el tiempo. Pero de Ledesma queda sobre todo su método de análisis de la historia reciente de España en los dos últimos siglos (esa “gran pirámide de fracasos”) que creo mantiene todavía actualidad y vigor, su patriotismo de carácter social y, finalmente, su estilo de hombre de teoría pero también de acción, una síntesis que hoy está casi completamente ausente. Ledesma no fue como algunos nos han dicho que era, pero es una personalidad que vale la pena conocer, forma parte de nuestras raíces históricas y culturales, enseña que sin estrategia las ideas políticas son construcciones en el aire, inaplicables en la realidad. Nos dice mucho sobre el estilo, la austeridad y el temple necesarios en nuestros días.

Ficha de la obra:

Título: Ramiro Ledesma a contraluz.

Subtítulo: Por un comprensión integral de su vida y de su obra

Autor: Ernesto Milá

Editorial: EMInves

Formato: 15 x 23 cm, tripas en papel ahuesado

Portada: cuatricomía, plastificada en mate, con solapas

Número de páginas: 414

Precio: 22,00 euros + 4,00 de gastos de envío