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mardi, 02 juin 2015

Julius Evola’s Influence on Jobbik and Gabor Vona

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Julius Evola’s Influence on Jobbik and Gabor Vona

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The Budapest Times has just published an article on the “esoteric” influence on Gabor Vona, the leader of Hungary’s controversial Jobbik Party, and Tibor Imre Baranyi, Vona’s advisor. Of particular importance to the journalist is the influence of the founder of the school of Traditionalism, Rene Guenon, and, more especially, Julius Evola, one of the more popular yet more frequently criticized of Traditionalist thinkers.

According to the Budapest Times, Baranyi is Vona’s official advisor, and receives a monthly gross salary of HUF 189.878 (if this is correct, that’s about $0.67 USD according to various online currency exchange sites). He is also the owner of Kvintesszencia, a publishing house in Debrecen, which has published some of Evola’s work. The Budapest Times say that,

Evola was in close contact with the SS during World War II and worked for the Study Society for Primordial Intellectual History, German Ancestral Heritage founded by Heinrich Himmler.
By the way, Vona wrote a passionate introduction for the Evola compilation published by Kvintesszencia..

This seems to be an oversimplification. Evola was close to elements in Italy’s Fascist party, and lectured to the SS, though his views were seen as incompatible with Nazi racialism, and his activities in Germany were effectively stopped. Evola saw “race” in spiritual terms, or terms of character and inclination. This may seem unsavory to us today, and while many of Evola’s opinions — such as they were influenced by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, etc. — may have been wrong, these not unusual for his time, either on the Left or Right.

What’s important, when considering Evola’s influence, is the broad range of material he produced, some of it bad, some of it interesting. Evola’s books have been largely published by Inner Traditions, an occult/New Age publisher, since most of his work concerns spirituality, from Buddhism and Islam to Hermeticism, all of which he speaks about positively.

Without understanding this — and the Budapest Times certainly doesn’t seem to — it is difficult to understand what Evola’s impact may be on Vona. Speaking about Traditionalism, the newspaper says:

The doctrine likes to take examples from Buddhism, Hinduism, Islamic tradition and other directions of religion in order to compare the dilapidation of the Western world against something. The person who combined many different spiritual movements in such a way and is considered as the icon of traditionalists today is the Frenchman René Guénon (1886-1951). Guénon spent his late years as a Muslim Sufi mystic under the name Abdel Wahid Yahia in Cairo, the Egyptian capital becoming the final destination of his spiritual movement.

Vona does not seem to really mind that the traditional school based on the global synthesis of different religious directions and spiritual-cultural tradition contradicts the official Jobbik image of being “Christian and Hungarian”. He himself follows the “metaphysical tradition”. A couple of months ago this is what he told weekly newspaper Heti Válasz: “Every larger global religion has a core truth which is the same as in the other ones and in most cases it’s called God. Everyone has the task to get as close to God as possible in his own cultural circle and within his own faith. As a Hungarian, European and Roman Catholic person I have the same task. However, at the same time I pay attention to, study and understand other cultures and religions too.”

This again mischaracterizes Guenon and Traditionalism. Guenon — who was at one time involved with esoteric Freemasonry, and who later “moved into” Islam — did not “combine” different religions, but perceived that they were all reflections of a spiritual “primordial Tradition,” and thus all contained elements of Truth. Although concerned with both gnosis and how to live authentically rather than with society, we see something similar in anthropology, where aspects of the various religions may be compared.

Moreover, though once an obscure and academic approach, it is now a common belief in the West that all religions are in some way true. Usually this opinion is seen on the Left, as an endorsement of multiculturalism — often in a political sense, of seeing the religions as clients to be represented by a political class that is above believing in a single religion. Vona takes a Traditionalist, or more Right-wing approach, believing that though one can get close to God through any of the major religions, each person has a duty to do this through the culture of their heritage.

Personally, since I grew up in a nominally Christian country, but do not consider myself Christian, I don’t agree with Vona. But I also think these things are worth talking about seriously. Though it’s always interesting to see Traditionalism discussed in the mainstream, it’s a pity the Budapest Times got it so wrong.

 

vendredi, 20 juin 2014

La línea de división es entre tradicionalistas y liberales, no entre naciones o culturas

martongy.jpgEn esta entrevista, el diputado y experto en relaciones internacionales del partido nacionalista húngaro, Márton Gyöngyösi, no sólo nos habla de la campaña electoral que organizan, lanza fuertes declaraciones contra partidos como el Frente Nacional, el FPO de Austria o el PVV de Wilders por las ‘peculiaridades’ de sus plataformas políticas y define cual es la diferencia de movimientos como Jobbik y los partidos antes mencionados.

¿Cuál es su estrategia de campaña para las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo?

Como usted probablemente sabe, tenemos tres elecciones este año: elecciones nacionales parlamentarias, elecciones al Parlamento Europeo y después elecciones locales. Por supuesto, nuestra relación con la Unión Europea es un tema muy importante, incluso a nivel nacional, pero actualmente no es nuestro principal objetivo. Después de las elecciones nacionales, realizaremos en mes y medio la campaña para las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo. En el 2009, cuando participamos primera vez, llegamos a un resultado muy bueno de 15 % y sacamos tres diputados. Esperamos llegar al menos a dicho porcentaje. Nuestro programa para Parlamento Europeo ya está en camino. Por desgracia, de alguna manera estamos condenados al ostracismo en los medios de comunicación y nuestros mensajes no se difunden. Así que realizamos una campaña muy directa, con mucho más énfasis en el Internet y en los foros públicos.

¿Qué tipo de asuntos son los que esperas plantear en relación con la Unión Europea, tanto en las elecciones nacionales como las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo?

Al igual que en muchos otros países hay una gran cantidad de euroescepticismo barriendo a través de Hungría. En estos tiempos de crisis económica y financiera, mucho de la culpa se ha puesto a la Unión Europea y creo que con razón dada la forma en que esta crisis se ha gestionado y la forma en que la UE se está transformando. Creo que hay mucha resistencia a la continua centralización que la UE ha estado experimentado desde el Tratado de Lisboa, incluso desde el Tratado de Maastricht si quieres.

Creo que la mayoría del pueblo húngaro rechaza esto y creo que estas elecciones van a tratar mayormente sobre el futuro de la UE. Estoy esperando un resultado muy euroescéptico en este país – y en general también. Esto no es sólo Jobbik. Creo que el euroescepticismo está más allá de Jobbik y los partidarios de Jobbik. Ya el señor Orbán está haciendo alusión a un enfoque muy euroescéptico. Él por supuesto está a favor de la UE y ha hecho mucho por la adhesión de Hungría, pero por el momento retóricamente es crítico de la UE. Obviamente son tácticas políticas. Creo que los partidarios incondicionales de Fidesz están hartos de la UE y creo que Jobbik puede esperar votos de ellos. Creo que esa fue una de las razones por las que Fidesz no quería poner las elecciones nacionales y las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo en la misma fecha, a pesar de que hubiera sido lógico. Habría habido una gran participación en las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo, y mucha gente habría realizado un voto de protesta del lado de Jobbik. Pero ellos no quieren un alto rechazo de la UE. Eso habría sido un mensaje terrible hacia Bruselas. Un mensaje positivo desde mi punto de vista.

¿Cuáles cree que son los principales peligros de la creciente integración a la UE?

Sólo veo peligros. En 1991 obtuvimos la candidatura. Si queremos emitir un juicio sobre la UE tenemos que mirar no sólo a nuestros miembros, sino que todo el proceso de adhesión. Se le da a la nación que negocia su adhesión a la UE con Bruselas directrices y es forzada a moverse dentro de ciertos límites. Esto ha tenido un impacto muy negativo en el proceso de transición de Hungría. Se nos dijo liberalizar y privatizar la economía, lo que significó que en unos diez años Hungría vendió la totalidad de su riqueza nacional. Se nos dijo que el capital privado, la inversión privada y la iniciativa empresarial extranjera nos llevarían muy pronto al paraíso. Pero lo que se puede ver es que los países de Europa Occidental necesitan a Hungría más que Hungría necesita de la UE. Ganaron un mercado de diez millones en este país, y cientos de millones si nos fijamos en toda la región. Económicamente, es un paso muy importante para la UE. Geoestratégicamente también. Ellos abrieron las fronteras del euroatlantismo hacia el este por cientos de kilómetros. Esto también se ve en Ucrania. Pero no sólo hay que culpar a la UE y los asquerosos capitalistas de Occidente. Tenemos una élite política en este país – el Sr. Orbán, políticos socialistas como Gyula Horn – que fueron seleccionados para este tipo de política de transición. Ninguno de ellos cuestionó la integración europea o este tipo de transición económica. Sobre de ellos se les puede hacer mucha crítica por la gestión de la transición de un modo por el cual este país ha sufrido más en 25 años que en las dos guerras mundiales. Básicamente hemos perdido toda nuestra riqueza y patrimonio nacional. Básicamente no tenemos nada en manos húngaras en estos momentos. Todo está en las manos de los empresarios e inversionistas extranjeros que compraron fábricas y en algunos casos las destruían.

¿Cuáles son algunos ejemplos de esto?

Nuestra industria alimenticia fue completamente destruida. Solíamos ser capaces de autosuficiencia en la producción agrícola. Sólo para dar un ejemplo, solíamos tener 12 fábricas de azúcar. Eramos completamente autosuficientes y exportabamos el 75% de nuestra producción azucarera. Hoy importamos casi todo el azúcar, porque la producción ha dejado de existir. Sólo hay una fábrica de azúcar en Hungría y es de propiedad de Austria. La UE dice que no se puede producir porque hay cuotas y la cuota es aproximadamente la mitad del nivel de autosuficiencia… ¿Qué pasó con las fábricas? Fueron compradas por empresas extranjeras – empresas francesas y alemanas – y destruidas. Ahora compramos azúcar a partir de las empresas que los han comprado. Así compraron un mercado.

¿Crees que Hungría debe tratar de renegociar los tratados de la UE?

Exactamente. Esa es nuestra propuesta. Queremos un referéndum sobre el ingreso en la UE y queremos renegociar, a partir de nuestro tratado de adhesión.

¿Si se renegocia con éxito será todavía necesario el referéndum?

Depende del resultado. Pero es casi seguro que sí. Yo no creo que sea posible renegociar los tratados de tal manera que nos pareciera bueno y beneficioso para la nación húngara. Se necesitaría una remodelación completa del acuerdo. Teniendo en cuenta la forma de la UE y Hungría en este momento, yo no creo que sea factible o posible.

¿Así que usted piensa en términos prácticos necesario un retiro?

Sí, a través de un referéndum. Nosotros apoyaremos un retiro. Esa es la misma posición que tuvimos en el 2004. Hemos estado haciendo campaña por un modelo de Europa de las Naciones, donde la soberanía nacional es mucho más fuerte y donde la centralización es menos. En 2004 también tuvimos un enfoque muy crítico e trabajamos por la no integración. Lo que hemos visto desde entonces nos ha hecho fortalecido aún más en nuestra creencia.

¿Pero no ha visto efectos positivos de la pertenencia a la UE? ¿No ha habido inversiones extranjeras o relaciones comerciales que hayan beneficiado a la economía húngara?

Es el balance donde necesitamos mirar. Tenemos más de 1000 años de relaciones con Europa. Eso no es una cuestión de adhesión a la UE. Usted no necesita ser parte de la UE para tener buenas relaciones bilaterales. La UE podría haber mejorado las relaciones. Hubo un tiempo en que la UE pueda haber sido una organización basada en la confianza mutua y el beneficio mutuo, allá en los años 1960 o 1970. Pero hoy no es así. Hoy en día funciona más como un imperio que tiene un interés centralista, el interés de los más grandes y más viejos estados-nación en la UE. Ellos están buscando sus propios intereses industriales y subordinan los intereses de todas las demás naciones a eso. Creo que eso es lo que construye gran parte de la frustración dentro de la UE. Y, por supuesto, se han cometido errores. Creo que el euro fue un completo desastre y un completo error. Eso es un análisis económico, no un juicio político. Creo que fue completamente prematuro tener una moneda única en un entorno económico tan divergente. Cometieron un error y la solución que buscaron era aún más desastrosa. Deberían haber ido en una dirección completamente diferente. Ahora están tratando de imponer aún más de esta toma centralista de decisiones.

¿Te refieres a las medidas de la unión bancaria?

Exactamente. La disciplina fiscal y la supervisión de Bruselas. Si un Estado nacional soberano quiere elaborar su presupuesto ese es una cuestión de soberanía. Después de haber aprendido de los errores de Grecia, Bruselas quiere el derecho de anular la política presupuestaria nacional. Eso es una completa tontería. ¿Dónde nos va llevará eso? ¿Aquellos burócratas de Bruselas que no tienen idea de la situación real de la economía en Hungría y lo que el pueblo húngaro necesita o desea van a anular el presupuesto de un gobierno? La política monetaria está centralizada. Ahora la política fiscal va a ser centralizada en Bruselas también. La soberanía nacional ha sufrido mucho en el último par de años. No es de extrañar que en cada país exista algún tipo de oposición con esta dirección.

El político holandés Geert Wilders y Marine Le Pen en Francia han llamado a una alianza pan-europea de partidos euroescépticos. Según informes de prensa, han declarado que Jobbik será excluido por ser demasiado extremista. ¿Cuál es su reacción a esto?

En Europa occidental, los partidos de este tipo tienen un programa que no podemos identificarnos completamente. Su opinión sobre la UE coincide con la nuestra. Creo que tienen la misma idea sobre Bruselas que nosotros. Pero hay una gran diferencia entre ellos y nosotros. Un terreno común entre Wilders, Vlaams Belang de Bélgica, el FPÖ en Austria y Le Pen en Francia – los movimientos radicales de Europa occidental, si quiero generalizar- es la inmigración. Ellos son antiinmigración, y ya que la mayoría de los inmigrantes provienen de países musulmanes tienen una muy fuerte islamofobia y una muy fuerte retórica anti-islámica. En Jobbik, por el contrario, Gábor Vona siempre ha propuesto un diálogo pacífico entre religiones. Él ha estado llamando al Islam una civilización tradicionalista y señalando que todos los tradicionalistas en el mundo – ya sean cristianos, musulmanes, budistas o hindúes – deben unir sus fuerzas y levantarse en contra del liberalismo, que es básicamente un enemigo del tradicionalismo. A través de la propagación del multiculturalismo y el nihilismo absoluto y la ausencia de valores, básicamente está debilitando el tradicionalismo.

En este sentido Jobbik es un partido tradicionalista. Nuestro enemigo principal no es la gente que tiene una cultura o una religión diferentes. El enemigo común de los tradicionalistas, independientemente de su procedencia, es el liberalismo, que quiere barrer con todos los tipos de tradición y cultura. Está propagando un ambiente muy colorido, multiétnico y multicultural. Creo que la línea de división es entre tradicionalistas y liberales, no entre naciones o culturas. Esta es uno de nuestros mayores argumentos con Le Pen y Wilders.

¿Usted no los ve como en el mismo campo tradicionalista que el de ustedes?

No. Yo creo que son totalmente liberales. Absolutamente liberales. Ellos no ven el punto. Lo que temen es que los valores liberales de Europa y de la civilización occidental desde la Ilustración estén en peligro por la inmigración masiva. Así que ellos están protegiendo fundamentalmente los valores liberales de Europa. En este sentido no podemos encontrar la misma plataforma con estos partidos porque vemos el problema completamente diferente. Creo que son parte del problema. Son rebeldes políticos. Como una idea política, es estupendo encontrar un enemigo, dispararle y conseguir seguidores que les apoyen, pero creo que están en el punto equivocado. Es una muy mala señal que los instintos de Europa ya no estén trabajando.

¿Así que piensa que ellos se han negado a trabajar con ustedes y les llamaron extremistas debido a su crítica de los valores liberales?

Esa es la raíz del problema. Pero podemos ir más lejos. Para esta campaña anti-islámica han obtenido el apoyo sionista de Israel. Todos y cada uno de ellos. Puesto que el Islam e Israel, o el sionismo, son enemigos, básicamente han formado un solo frente. Usted puede ver que Strache del FPÖ ha hecho una serie de declaraciones pro-israelíes y recibió el apoyo sionista. Vlaams Belang incluso es financiada por determinadas comunidades sionistas. Wilders también. Ellos ven a la inmigración y el Islam como el mayor peligro, así que fueron con uno de los mayores enemigos del Islam, el sionismo. Es un enfoque completamente lógico. En Hungría tenemos un problema completamente diferente. Si se fija en nuestras declaraciones y lo que representan, hemos estado criticando la política israelí. Hemos criticado el sionismo como un fenómeno global y la forma en que funciona actualmente en el mundo.

¿Ve un riesgo de que esta posición se transforme en discriminación si usted señala a los judíos como agentes potenciales de Israel? Usted hizo una declaración hace unos años de que debe haber una investigación de los miembros del gobierno que cuentan con ciudadanía israelí- húngara.

La doble nacionalidad es un riesgo. Es un riesgo para la seguridad nacional. Quiero estar seguro de que el parlamentario húngaro, algún miembro del gobierno o un funcionario público sea 100% leal y 100% comprometido con mi nación cuando estén haciendo leyes o los lleven a cabo. Todo el mundo piensa lo mismo. En Israel los ciudadanos dobles están excluidos de la Knesset. Si Israel hace eso, entonces ¿por qué se ofenden si exijo lo mismo para Hungría? En Estados Unidos, se tiene que ser totalmente transparente. Cada miembro del Congreso tiene que mostrar a que raza, origen étnico y religión pertenece y qué ciudadanía que tienen. Todo lo que quiero es el mismo tipo de transparencia en Hungría.

¿Haría la misma demanda con otras nacionalidades?

Por supuesto. Si alguien tiene la doble ciudadanía de Zimbabwe-húngara también sería una curiosidad.

¿Lo vería como un riesgo potencial para la seguridad nacional?

Podría ser. Si alguien tiene la ciudadanía significa que juraron a un país en particular. Si juramentas a dos países ¿entonces cuál es la garantía de que pueda excluir su lealtad o su identidad cuando esté haciendo legislación o ejecutando las leyes de otra nación? Hay un conflicto de intereses. Creemos que la doble nacionalidad israelí-húngara es un riesgo aún mayor que con la doble ciudadanía Zimbabwe-húngara, porque hemos oído hablar de las intenciones maliciosas de Sr. Shimon Perez, cuando habló sobre la colonización de Hungría por medios financieros y económicos.

Me gustaría volver a la cuestión de la alianza. ¿Hay otros partidos que tienen una mentalidad similar a la suya y con quien usted puede ser capaz de formar una alianza en el Parlamento Europeo?

La cuestión de la búsqueda de la alianza viene después de la elección. Por supuesto que puedes hacer alianzas si se tiene un programa con puntos en común. Parece que Wilders, Le Pen y Strache tienen este programa común. No lo tenemos con ellos. Pero conseguimos algo hace unos dos años. Nuestro diputado Béla Kovács formó un partido europeo llamado Alianza de Movimientos Nacionales Europeos. Desde el Tratado de Lisboa, es posible que diputados individuales formen un partido internacional –basado en la afiliación individual, en lugar de entre partidos. Esto es todo un logro. Esto demuestra que tenemos algún tipo de poder de negociación. Somos el partido más fuerte en el movimiento radical, por lo que obtenemos una gran cantidad de atención en este campo.

Pero, ¿hay oportunidades concretas de cooperación en la próxima legislatura?

Incluso obtener una fracción es muy difícil porque se necesita muchos países y muchos miembros. Pero yo creo que no es tema de importancia. Es una organización tan inútil, para ser totalmente honesto con usted. Yo no creo que tenga un gran significado si se está en una fracción o sólo ser un miembro no inscrito. No vamos a renunciar a parte de nuestro programa o comprometer nuestros principios sólo para ganar más dinero o para hablar dos veces sobre uno de estos absurdos temas que el Parlamento Europeo está discutiendo, como la curva del pepino.

Pero, para responder a su pregunta, creo que va a ser una elección muy interesante, sobre todo por el creciente euroescepticismo en la UE. La mayoría de los analistas esperan un gran incremento en la influencia de los partidos euroescépticos en el Parlamento. Creo que esto va a ampliar las oportunidades para algún tipo de alianza. En Polonia hay un nuevo partido llamado Ruch Narodowy (Movimiento Nacional). Tenemos una cooperación muy estrecha con ellos. Firmamos comunicados de prensa comunes y ellos vienen a nuestros días y manifestaciones nacionales. También estamos buscando la cooperación en Croacia, donde los distintos partidos están formando un bloque para las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo. Tenemos contactos y relaciones con ellos. Estamos construyendo continuamente estas alianzas. Es esta parte de Europa – Europa Central y Oriental – donde tal construcción de alianzas es razonable y apropiada. En cuanto a los radicales franceses o británicos, tenemos una perspectiva muy diferente y con diferentes problemas.

Dos nombres que rondan entre los medios de comunicación como socios potenciales, que son el Partido Nacional Británico (BNP) y Amanecer Dorado en Grecia.

De acuerdo con los medios de comunicación, somos financiados por Al-Qaeda o por Rusia e Irán. Hay un montón de tonterías en los medios. Con Amanecer Dorado nunca hemos algún contacto. Cuando Gábor Vona fue a Londres dijeron que iba allí para reunirse con Amanecer Dorado. Esto es una locura. En época de elecciones Gábor Vona quiere conocer al electorado. Hay decenas de miles de húngaros que viven en Londres. Fue a reunirse con ellos y hablar de nuestro programa. ¿Por qué él viajará a Londres para reunirse con Amanecer Dorado? Él viajaría a Atenas entonces. Eso son los medios de comunicación para usted. No tenemos esa cooperación. Por otra parte, el líder del BNP, Nick Griffin, se unió a la Alianza de Movimientos Nacionales Europeos con nuestros eurodiputados. Él ya no es un miembro, pero formó parte de este partido.

¿Ve usted una buena posibilidad de una mayor cooperación con el BNP?

Nuestro juicio sobre la UE está convergiendo. Pero una vez más, creo que su posición anti- islámico es algo muy difícil de igualar con nuestra visión del mundo. Estamos buscando una alianza de tradicionalismo en todo el mundo contra el liberalismo. Creo que Europa está sufriendo por el liberalismo. Eso es lo que deberíamos deshacernos en primer lugar ante todo y luego encontrar nuestras propias raíces, nuestros propios valores y nuestras propias tradiciones y construir sobre eso. En lugar de odio y la búsqueda de un enemigo común. Eso no va a llevar a ninguna parte. No nos deshacernos de una de las principales causas de nuestra crisis: el liberalismo, que básicamente ha provocado falta de valores y un destacamento completo de nuestras tradiciones culturales y religiosas.

(Traducido del inglés por Manuel Ortiz)

Fuente: Disidencia

mercredi, 21 mai 2014

Some Thoughts on the Creation of Intellectual Eurasianism

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Some Thoughts on the Creation of Intellectual Eurasianism

Leader of Hungarian political party "Jobbik" about Eurasian ideas

 
Ex: http://www.geopolitica.ru
 

"Actually, the truth is that the West really is in great need of  »defense«, but only against itself and its own tendencies, which, if they are pushed to their conclusion, will lead inevitably to its ruin and destruction; it is therefore »reform« of the West that is called for instead of »defense against the East«, and if this reform were what it should be---that is to say, a restoration of tradition---it would entail as a natural consequence an understanding with the East."

– René Guénon[1]

1. Euroatlantism and anti-traditionalism

Today's globalized world is in crisis. That is a fact. However, it is not quite clear what this crisis is. In order to get an answer, first we need to define what globalization means. For us, it does not mean the kind of public misconception, which says that the borders between the world's various economic and cultural spheres will gradually disappear and the planet becomes an organic network built upon billions of interactions. Those who believe in this also add that history is thus no longer a parallel development of great spheres, but the great common development of the entire world. Needless to say, this interpretation considers globalization as a positive and organic process from the aspect of historical development.

From our aspect, however, globalization is an explicitly negative, anti-traditionalist process. Perhaps we can understand this statement better if we break it down into components. Who is the actor, and what is the action and the object of globalization? The actor of globalization - and thus crisis production - is the Euro-Atlantic region, by which we mean the United States and the great economic-political powers of Western Europe. Economically speaking, the action of globalization is the colonization of the entire world; ideologically speaking, it means safeguarding the monopolistic, dictatorial power of liberalism; while politically speaking, it is the violent export of democracy.  Finally, the object of globalization is the entire globe. To sum it up in one sentence: globalization is the effort of the Euro-Atlantic region to control the whole world physically and intellectually. As processes are fundamentally defined by their actors that actually cause them, we will hereinafter name globalization as Euroatlantism. The reason for that is to clearly indicate that we are not talking about a kind of global dialogue and organic cooperation developing among the world's different regions, continents, religions, cultures, and traditions, as the neutrally positive expression of "globalization" attempts to imply, but about a minor part of the world (in particular the Euro-Atlantic region) which is striving to impose its own economic, political, and intellectual model upon the rest of the world in an inorganic manner, by direct and indirect force, and with a clear intention to dominate it.

As we indicated at the beginning of this essay, this effort of Euroatlantism has brought a crisis upon the entire world. Now we can define the crisis itself. Unlike what is suggested by the news and the majority of public opinion, this crisis is not primarily an economic one. The problem is not that we cannot justly distribute the assets produced. Although it is true, it is not the cause of the problem and the crisis; it is rather the consequence of it. Neither is this crisis a political one, that is to say: the root cause is not that the great powers and international institutions fail to establish a liveable and harmonious status quo for the whole world; it is just a consequence as well. Nor does this crisis result from the clashes of cultures and religions, as some strategists believe; the problem lies deeper than that. The world's current crisis is an intellectual one. It is a crisis of the human intellect, and it can be characterized as a conflict between traditional values (meaning conventional, normal, human) and anti-traditionalism (meaning modern, abnormal, subhuman), which is now increasingly dominating the world. From this aspect, Euroatlantism - that is to say, globalism - can be greatly identified with anti-traditionalism. So the situation is that the Euro-Atlantic region, which we can simply but correctly call the West, is the crisis itself; in other words, it carries the crisis within, so when it colonizes the world, it in fact spreads an intellectual virus as well. So this is the anti-traditionalist aspect of the world's ongoing processes, but does a traditionalist pole exist, and if it does, where can we find it?

2. Eurasianism as a geopolitical concept

Geographically speaking, Eurasia means the continental unity of Europe and Asia, which stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific. As a cultural notion, Eurasianism was a concept conceived by Russian emigrants in the early 20th century. It proved to be a fertile framework, since it has been reinterpreted several times and will surely continue to be so in the future as well. Nicolai Sergeyevich Trubetskoy is widely considered as the founder of Eurasianism, while Alexandr Dugin is referred to as the key ideologist of the concept. Trubetskoy was one of the greatest thinkers of the Russian emigration in the early 20th century, who attempted to redefine Russia's role in the turbulent post-World War I times, looking for new goals, new perspectives, and new meanings. On the one hand, he rejected Pan-Slavism and replaced the Slavophile ideology with a kind of "Turanophile" one, as Lajos Pálfalvi put it in an essay.[2] He tore Russian thinking out of the Eastern Slavic framework and found Genghis Khan as a powerful antetype, the founder of a Eurasian state. Trubetskoy says that it was the Khan's framework left behind that Moscow's Tsars filled with a new, Orthodox sense of mission after the Mongol occupation. In his view, the European and Western orientation of Peter the Great is a negative disruption of this process, a cultural disaster, while the desirable goal for Russia is to awaken as a part of Eurasia.

So Eurasianism was born as a uniquely Russian concept but not at all for Russia only, even though it is often criticized for being a kind of Great Russia concept in a cultural-geopolitical disguise. Ukrainian author Mikola Ryabchuk goes as far as to say that whoever uses this notion, for whatever reason, is basically doing nothing but revitalizing the Russian political dominance, tearing the former Soviet sphere out of the "European political and cultural project".[3] Ryabchuk adds that there is a certain intellectual civil war going on in the region, particularly in Russia and also in Turkey about the acceptance of Western values. So those who utter the word "Eurasianism" in this situation are indirectly siding with Russia. The author is clearly presenting his views from a pro-West and anti-Russian aspect, but his thoughts are worth looking at from our angle as well.

As a cultural idea, Eurasianism was indeed created to oppose the Western, or to put it in our terms, the Euro-Atlantic values. It indeed supposes an opposition to such values and finds a certain kind of geopolitical reference for it. We must also emphasize that being wary of the "European political and cultural project" is justified from the economic, political, and cultural aspects as well. If a national community does not wish to comply, let's say, with the role assigned by the European Union, it is not a negative thing at all; in fact, it is the sign of a sort of caution and immunity in this particular case. It is especially so, if it is not done for some economic or nationalistic reason, but as a result of a different cultural-intellectual approach. Rendering Euro-Atlantic "values" absolute and indisputable means an utter intellectual damage, especially in the light of the first point of our essay. So the opposition of Eurasianism to the Euro-Atlantic world is undeniably positive for us. However, if we interpreted Eurasianism as mere anti-Euro-Atlantism, we would vulgarly simplify it, and we would completely fail to present an alternative to the the anti-traditionalist globalization outlined above.

What we need is much more than just a reciprocal pole or an alternative framework for globalization. Not only do we want to oppose globalization horizontally but, first and foremost, also vertically. We want to demonstrate an intellectual superiority to it. That is to say, when establishing our own Eurasia concept, we must point out that it means much more for us than a simple geographical notion or a geopolitical idea that intends to oppose Euro-Atlantism on the grounds of some tactical or strategic power game. Such speculations are valueless for me, regardless of whether they have some underlying, latent Russian effort for dominance or not. Eurasianism is basically a geographical and/or political framework, therefore, it does not have a normative meaning or intellectual centre. It is the task of its interpretation and interpreter to furnish it with such features.

3. Intellectual Eurasianism - Theories and practice

We have stated that we cannot be content with anti-Euro-Atlantism. Neither can we be content with a simple geographical and geopolitical alternative, so we demand an intellectual Eurasianism. If we fail to provide this intellectual centre, this meta-political source, then our concept remains nothing but a different political, economic, military, or administrative idea which would indeed represent a structural difference but not a qualitative breakthrough compared to Western globalization. Politically speaking, it would be a reciprocal pole, but not of a superior quality. This could lay the foundations for a new cold or world war, where two anti-traditionalist forces confront each other, like the Soviet Union and the United States did, but it surely won't be able to challenge the historical process of the spread of anti-traditionalism. However, such challenge is exactly what we consider indispensable. A struggle between one globalization and another is nonsensical from our point of view. Our problem with Euro-Atlantism is not its Euro-Atlantic but its anti-traditionalist nature. Contrary to that, our goal is not to construct another anti-traditionalist framework, but to present a supranational and traditionalist response to the international crisis. Using Julius Evola's ingenious term, we can say that Eurasianism must be able to pass the air test.[4]

At this point, we must look into the question of why we can't give a traditionalist answer within a Euro-Atlantic framework. Theoretically speaking, the question is reasonable since the Western world was also developing within a traditional framework until the dawn of the modern age, but this opportunity must be excluded for several reasons. Firstly, it is no accident that anti-traditionalist modernism developed in the West and that is where it started going global from. The framework of this essay is too small for a detailed presentation of the multi-century process of how modernism took roots in and grew out of the original traditionalist texture of Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian thinking and culture, developing into today's liberal Euroatlantism. For now, let us state that the anti-traditionalist turn of the West had a high historical probability. This also means that the East was laid on much stronger traditionalist foundations and still is, albeit it is gradually weakening. In other words, when we are seeking out a geopolitical framework for our historic struggle, our choice for Eurasianism is not in the least arbitrary. The reality is that the establishment of a truly supranational traditionalist framework can only come from the East. This is where we can still have a chance to involve the leading political-cultural spheres. The more we go West, the weaker the centripetal power of Eurasianism is, so it can only expect to have small groups of supporters but no major backing from the society.

The other important question is why we consider traditionalism as the only intellectual centre that can fecundate Eurasianism. The question "Why Eurasia?" can be answered much more accurately than "Why the metaphysical Tradition?". We admit that our answer is rather intuitive, but we can be reassured by the fact that René Guénon, Julius Evola, or Frithjof Schuon, the key figures in the restoration of traditionalist philosophy, were the ones who had the deepest and clearest understanding of the transcendental, metaphysical unity of Eastern and Western religions and cultures. Their teaching reaches back to such ancient intellectual sources that can provide a sense of communion for awakening Western Christian, Orthodox, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist people. These two things are exactly what are necessary for the success of Eurasianism: a foundation that can ensure supranational and supra-religious perspectives as well as an intellectual centrality. The metaphysical Tradition can ensure these two: universality and quality. At that moment, Eurasianism is no longer a mere geopolitical alternative, a new yet equally crisis-infected (and thus also infectious) globalization process, but a traditionalist response.

We cannot overemphasize the superior quality of intellectual Eurasianism. However, it is important to note here that the acquisition of an intellectual superiority ensured by the traditionalist approach would not at all mean that our confrontation with Euroatlantism would remain at a spiritual-intellectual level only, thus giving up our intentions to create a counterbalance or even dominance in the practical areas, such as the political, diplomatic, economic, military, and cultural spheres.  We can be satisfied with neither a vulgar Eurasianism (lacking a philosophical centre) nor a theoretical one (lacking practicability). The only adequate form for us is such a Eurasianism that is rooted in the intellectual centre of traditionalism and is elaborated for practical implementation as well. To sum up in one sentence: there must be a traditionalist Eurasianism standing in opposition to an anti-traditionalist Euroatlantism.

The above also means that geopolitical and geographical positions are strategically important, but not at all exclusive, factors in identifying the enemy-ally coordinates. A group that has a traditionalist intellectual base (thus being intellectually Eurasian) is our ally even if it is located in a Euro-Atlantic zone, while a geographically Eurasian but anti-traditionalist force (thus being intellectually Euro-Atlantic) would be an enemy, even if it is a great power.

4. Homogeneousness and heterogeneousness

If it is truly built upon the intellectual centre of metaphysical Tradition, intellectual Eurasianism has such a common base that it is relevant regardless of geographical position, thus giving the necessary homogeneousness to the entire concept. On the other hand, the tremendous size and the versatility of cultures and ancient traditions of the Eurasian area do not allow for a complete theoretical uniformity. However, this is just a barrier to overcome, an intellectual challenge that we must all meet, but it is not a preventive factor. Each region, nation, and country must find their own form that can organically and harmoniously fit into its own traditions and the traditionalist philosophical approach of intellectual Eurasianism as well. Simply put, we can say that each one must form their own Eurasianism within the large unit.

As we said above, this is an intellectual challenge that requires an able intellectual elite in each region and country who understand and take this challenge and are in a constructive relationship with the other, similar elites. These elites together could provide the international intellectual force that is destined to elaborate the Eurasian framework itself. The sentences above throw a light on the greatest hiatus (and greatest challenge) lying in the establishment of intellectual Eurasianism. This challenge is to develop and empower traditionalist intellectual elites operating in different geographical areas, as well as to establish and improve their supranational relations. Geographically and nationally speaking, intellectual Eurasianism is heterogeneous, while it is homogeneous in the continental and essential sense.

However, the heterogeneousness of Eurasianism must not be mistaken for the multiculturalism of Euroatlantism. In the former, allies form a supranational and supra-cultural unit while also preserving their own traditions, whereas the latter aims to create a sub-cultural and sub-national unit, forgetting and rejecting traditions. This also means that intellectual Eurasianism is against and rejects all mass migrations, learning from the West's current disaster caused by such events. We believe that geographical position and environment is closely related to the existence and unique features of the particular religious, social, and cultural tradition, and any sudden, inorganic, and violent social movement ignoring such factors will inevitably result in a state of dysfunction and conflicts. Intellectual Eurasianism promotes self-realization and the achievement of intellectual missions for all nations and cultures in their own place.

5. Closing thoughts

The aim of this short essay is to outline the basis and lay the foundations for an ambitious and intellectual Eurasianism by raising fundamental issues. We based our argumentation on the obvious fact that the world is in crisis, and that this crisis is caused by liberal globalization, which we identified as Euroatlantism. We believe that the counter-effect needs to be vertical and traditionalist, not horizontal and vulgar.  We called this counter-effect Eurasianism, some core ideas of which were explained here. We hope that this essay will have a fecundating impact, thus truly contributing to the further elaboration of intellectual Eurasianism, both from a universal and a Hungarian aspect.

[1] René Guénon: The Crisis of the Modern World Translated by Marco Pallis, Arthur Osborne, and Richard C. Nicholson. Sophia Perennis: Hillsdale, New York. 2004. Pg. 31-32.

[2] Lajos Pálfalvi: Nicolai Trubetskoy's impossible Eurasian mission. In Nicolai Sergeyevich Trubetskoy: Genghis Khan's heritage. (in Hungarian) Máriabesnyő, 2011, Attraktor Publishing, p. 152.

[3] Mikola Ryabchuk: Western "Eurasianism" and the "new Eastern Europe”: a discourse of exclusion. (in Hungarian) Szépirodalmi Figyelő 4/2012

[4] See: Julius Evola: Handbook of Rightist Youth. (in Hungarian) Debrecen, 2012, Kvintesszencia Publishing House, pp. 45–48

mercredi, 27 novembre 2013

Jobbik’s Unholy Alliance

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Jobbik’s Unholy Alliance

Colin Liddell

Ex: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net

It seems that these days hatred, and the right to use it, even in defence of one’s nation, race, and culture, has to be offset by plenty of misplaced love. This is the take home message from Gábor Vona’s recent trip to Turkey, where the president of the Hungarian nationalist party Jobbik has been declaring his “Eurasian love”:

 

I didn’t come here to talk to you about the transitory subject of diplomatic and economic relations. Others will do that on behalf of me. I came here to meet my brothers and sisters, to offer a fraternal alliance and bring you the good news: Hungarians are awakening. Our common mission and the universal task of Turanism [see also Hungarian Turanism] are to build bridges between East and West, between Muslims and Christians, to be able to fight together for a better world – to show to the world that Christians and Muslims are not enemies, but brothers and sisters. No one can accomplish this mission more effectively than Hungarians and Turks because we are connected by common blood.

 

That’s all we need, European nationalist parties endorsing the very people most bent on colonizing and destroying Europe. Turkey, let us remember, is hostile to Greece and Golden Dawn, supports the Islamic jihad in Syria (along with Israel and the USA), harbours Chechen terrorists, and is seeking to extend neo-Ottoman influence in the Balkans through supporting ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. And this is the country that Jobbik wants to French kiss and take home to meet its mother!

Of course, “Love” is not a word usually associated with Jobbik. Thanks to the antinationalist bias of the mass media, Jobbik is better known for its hatreds of Jews, Gypsies, and the various nationalities that surround the ill-drawn borders of the Hungarian nation.


 

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There is nothing wrong with hatred in itself. It can be good or bad, depending on circumstances; just or unjust. Without hatred of that which harms nothing can survive. So it is quite possible that Jobbik may be justified in some if not all its hatreds.

But there are two problems with Vona’s hands-across-the-Bosporus approach. The first problem is the need, as shown here, to apparently offset sincere and possibly justified hatred of Hungary’s enemies with an insincere, contrived, or simply misplaced love for something else. The second problem is the mythic form of history and nationalism that Jobbik is indulging in, as opposed to actual history and reality.

This offsetting of hate with ‘love’ has been seen before. The UK’s English Defense League, not content with simply loving itself (whatever its faults) and hating the colonization of the country by Islam, felt a need to declare its undying love for Israel and homosexuality into the bargain, a policy that they perhaps filched from Geert Wilders, who has enjoyed considerable success with it in “detoxing” his anti-Islamic message in an atmosphere of political correctness.

Such moves seem designed to say, “Hey, we’re not just about the hate, y’know. We’ve got some of the warm, gushy stuff as well.”

But assuming that it’s more than this, what could possibly be motivating Jobbik, a search for actual allies and support? Vona’s recent declarations are somewhat suspicious in that they seem to reflect the Eurasian geopolitics that the Kremlin is currently experimenting with:

 

In order to create a new value system and build a new strategy for the future it is paramount to simultaneously carry both the European and the Asian point of views. European practicality and the contemplative spirit of the East should be harmonized. I see three nations that may be suitable of such a harmonization: Russia, Turkey and Hungary. These are the three peoples that due to their history, and destiny preserved both European and Asian values. Therefore, the new Eurasian alternative should be articulated by these three nations.

 

This sounds like something Alexandr Dugin could have come up with, and well may have. It reminds us that, whenever considering the complex geopolitics of Eurasian states, it is always necessary to filter things through a vast amount of historical and geographical knowledge. That will alert you to the possibility that one thing may have something to do with something else not being reported on at the moment, like the fact that Russia has recently had a few difficulties with the Ukraine, which is just one of several countries that Jobbik has an ancestral beef with because it occupies lands that were once occupied by Hungary.

The idea of Hungarian history that Jobbik promotes is an extremely selective and distorted one, and is therefore guaranteed to cause problems. It is also the reason why Jobbik is seeking out such unlikely bedfellows. At the heart of this view is the idea of Turanism, the notion that the Hungarians are essentially a Turkic people from Central Asia (“Turan”).

There is some truth in this, and it is in fact a part of the national story, although only one part. It is nevertheless quite a distinctive and inspiring part of the national story, creating a sense of uniqueness and pride while also explaining the neighbouring enmities. But this narrative, on its own, is also highly distorting as it downplays the European elements of Hungarian identity – the Germanic, the Slavic, even the Catholic – which clearly outweigh the Asian elements.

In some way, Turkey, the country with which Vona craves mystic union, is as much a myth as Jobbik’s own preferred “Khanate of the steppes.” Turkey as it is now understood, essentially came into being in the 1920s, when the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Mustafa Kemal earned the title of Ataturk (“Father of the Turks”) by creating the streamlined and simplified idea of a modern Turkish national state out of the ruins of a polyglot Empire that had no specific national identity. To achieve this, all sort of omissions and fabrications were of course required.

But back to Hungary: The idea of Greater Hungary that Jobbik espouses is damaging not just to the reality of Hungary, which is a much more European country than Jobbik admits, but also damaging to Europe in general, both as a concept and actuality.

First, it weakens the idea of a collective European identity with clear borders and limits; while also suggesting that Europe can Europeanize whatever the world throws at it — a very dangerous idea in this day and age. It must be stressed that the Europeanization of the original Magyars, a comparatively small group, took centuries, involved isolation from the steppes, and required repeated racial admixture with European populations.

As Tom Sunic stresses, the last thing Whites need is a continuation of petty European nationalisms.

The interethnic resentments in Eastern Europe …  are very pronounced, and they often turn ugly. Thus the national identity of a Polish nationalist, who may otherwise agree on all points with his nationalist counterpart from Germany—such as their common criticism of globalism, their anticommunism and their antiliberalism — is often accompanied by strong anti- German feelings. One third of ethnic Hungarians — more than 2 million — living in Slovakia, Serbia and Romania typically define their national identity through their resentment of the peoples among whom they live. Czech nationalists seldom like to discuss with their German counterparts the issue of the forcible deportation of 3 million ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia after World War II. Despite some semblance of peace between Serbs and Croats, these two ethnically similar, neighboring peoples identify with two entirely different historical narratives and two completely different and mutually hostile and exclusive victimhoods. (Tom Sunmic, “Ethnic Identity versus White Identity: Differences between the U.S. and Europe,” The Occidental Quarterly, Winter 2012–2013, 51–64.)

Alongside these mistaken ideas, is the notion that the surest way to get ahead in a world that hates Whites is to stop identifying as White. By rebranding themselves as “Turans” and Asians, Jobbik obviously hopes to qualify for all the privileges that non-Whites enjoy – the freedom to hate and be racist, first and foremost among them. Identifying themselves with Islam offers the same advantages, especially if they make the effort to criticize the anti-Muslim parties that are common in the rest of Europe.

The trouble here is that the Hungarians are in fact too White and the world is unlikely to allow them to get away with this. Jobbik’s negative attitudes toward Jews and Gypsies will ensure that, regardless of their temporary expediency for the likes of Russia and Turkey, the world will still continue to consider them as evil, White racists.

The idea that hate needs to be balanced by at least an equal amount of love expended elsewhere may well have something in it. In that case, it would make much better sense both tactically and spiritually for Jobbik to throw away its petty, divisive nationalism and myths of Eurasian glory, and instead love its neighbours in the European family of nations and direct its hatred accordingly.

samedi, 08 juin 2013

Euro-Atlantism must be replaced by Eurasianism

Euro-Atlantism must be replaced by Eurasianism

by Gabor VONA

Ex: http://www.geopolitica.ru/

 

- Mr. Vona, what is main idea of your political party and why is it important for Hungary to make revision of the relations with EU?

- Jobbik is a national conservative party which does not refrain from using radical means. So when they label us as radicals, they are wrong.  Radicalism is not a principle, it is a method. The reason why we are radicals is because the situation is radical as well. At the moment, we Hungarians are sick passengers on a sinking European ship that has lost its values. This is unbearable. First we must get off the ship, then cure our diseases. Hungary was not admitted to the EU so that we could develop. The goal was to colonize us, to exploit our cheap labour and acquire our markets. Western companies and banks now try to maintain their systems by using the profit they pump out of our country in the East. And this is just the economic side of the problem. The EU did not bring any good in terms of the spiritual, mental side, either. After the anti-value approach of Communism, we are now living in the valuelessness of capitalism. I personally follow traditionalist principles, in other words, I believe that Europe should get back to its own roots and rearrange its relationship with other traditional cultures that only exist in the East now.

- Jobbik has image of ultra right political party in Hungary and in Europe too. Do you agree with this label or have other outlook that can not be dealing with classical terms of "right", "left" and so on?

- If modernity, which stretches from the Renaissance through the Age of Enlightenment to global capitalism, is identified with the political left, then we definitely belong to the right. I and my party, however, cannot be located by using the left and right coordinates of current politology. The best way is to say that Jobbik is a national radical party, which is not chauvinistic, which defies global capitalism and three of its key representatives, the USA, the EU and Israel, from the platform of universal human values.

- Euroscepticism is very different in EU. Please can you to describe some particular issues ofHungary and neighbour countries related with this topic? What is role of euroatlanticism strategy in this process?

- The disapproval rate of the EU has just exceeded its approval rate in Hungary for the first time. There was an incredible brainwashing going on in the 1990s, so most people believed it was going to be good to join the EU, and that there was no other option. By now more and more people have realized that the whole thing was a setup. The Union needs markets, cheap labour and a garbage dump. How naive we were when we thought that the West was going to provide a historic compensation for the East to counterbalance  their exploiting and abandoning us quite a few times in history! The same applies to the neighbouring countries as well but Hungary is in the worst situation. The previous government signed every paper Brussels laid down in front of them, the current one is only interested in its own power, and antagonizes the whole EU for it. The common ground of the two governments is that neither has any concept whatsoever. So far I am the only politician in Hungary to declare that Euro-Atlantism must be replaced by Eurasianism.

- Did financial crisis had influence on protectionism moods or general aspects is civilizational and values factors? How much involved NGO's and external powers in desintegration of hole hungarian system (territory-language-culture-etc.)?

- The economic crisis indeed has a great influence on scepticism. The situation has revealed that the EU does not represent the interests of the whole community but the major Western member states - France, England, Germany. The influence of various external powers and organizations is becoming more and more obvious in people's eyes. I can go as far as to say that there is a revolution of consciousness going on in Hungary. This is of course painful, because people must give up many illusions, but it is inevitable because the future must be built on truth and reality. Consequently, what now seems to be a confusion in Hungarian society will clear  up, I hope, and give way to a society that is much more self-aware and has much clearer thinking.

 - If we'll look inside of Hungarian identity we'll find eurasian roots of this nation. How much this line presented in your politics?

- Completely.  The Hungarian nation has Turkic origin, and was formed by the Russian steppes into what it is now, then wandered to the West to establish a state in the Carpathian basin. Our Western integration has been going on for centuries, but we have never forgotten our Eastern origin and they could never uproot this concept from our minds. This duality has often had its drawbacks for us, but I believe it could be beneficial this time.

 - By the way what about connection with Russia in geopolitcal sense of nowadays?

- Jobbik is an anti-Communist party, yet we were the first in Hungary to seriously propose to settle our relations with the Russians. Not only in diplomatic speeches, but in reality as well. At the time of the Georgian conflict, when the whole Hungarian political elite was voicing their agreement with the American interests, we declared that this issue was about something completely different. When Viktor Orbán was sending sulky messages to Russia from opposition back in 2009, we already declared that he was making a huge mistake. Personally, I have good relations with several Russian diplomats in Budapest, and I am very happy that the Russian Embassy is always represented at our year-opening conferences. In my foreign policy plans, Russia - in addition to Germany and Turkey - is a key political and economic ally, partner for Hungary. 

- If we'll speak about global processes what is your position and prognosis for forthcoming events? How long U.S. will be superpower yet? What is E.U. future and how Eurasian integration will happens?

- Difficult question. The agony has definitely started and a new world order will have to be established. The alliance of the BRICS countries clearly shows that the time of the USA and EU has passed. The most fortunate turn of events would be if they themselves realized it, because that could prevent major conflicts and give way to a peaceful transformation. With regard to the framework of Eurasian cooperation, I don't see the actual opportunities yet, because first we must define the basic values and the consequent strategy that could attract the widest possible circles. This is the challenge now, and Jobbik is the only Hungarian political entity willing to meet it. The others are all Atlanticists, and they will remain so until history passes them.

- Thank you Mr. Vona for interview. Do you want to add something for our readers?

- Thank you for the opportunity.

By Leonid Savin